Euro Talmudist identity

My Assertions are as follows.

I claim Jews are not descendants of the Israelites.. NO get it straight.

Do not pretend that the term 'jews' identifies all people who call themselves jews

There are Asians in the middle east who claim to be descendants of Israelites
There are negroes in the middle east who claim to be descendants of the Israelites
There are white Caucasians who we know are descendants of Europeans because you can get their parents and grandparents records and prove they came from england, ireland, russia, polland.. europe.

#1 If you can prove their ancestors were europeans for generation, it is no longer a theory but a fact that they are descendants.

#2 If ancestors can be tracked 3.. 5 generations before and have no proof of who their ancestors were 10 20 generations back. Your only statement of fact is WHAT YOU CAN PROVE.

You have 2 parents, 4 grand parents, 8 grandparents ect
2 4 8 16 32 64 120 240 480

10 generations ago you had 480 great... grandparents, all living in the same era.
#3 Name them .. the burden of proof is on those who claim to hold some truth

#5 Blacks/brown race people calling themselves jews or muslims cold be descendants of the Israelites.. but being the same race does not prove anything. The Israelites were not a unique race, they came out of the penis and between the legs of the Cannantes, Hittites, Egyptians all descendants of Asians and Africans share the Asian or Negro race.

#5 White causan Talmudist are a different than Asian or Negro Talmudist.




Asian Talmudist are not the same race as caucasuion talmudist



Caucasion talmudist are not the same race as african or asian talmudist




African Talmudist are not the same race as caucasion talmudist



African or Asian talmudist could not have passed through the nazi checkpoints with forged papers because no one can tell a european talmudist from any other caucasion european

When races mix offsprings never exclusive to one race but off springs are sometimes white, sometimes black or a mix.
If offsprings are all white then they could not have any asian or african ancestors 


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If Asians or Africans have mixed descendants who are caucasions, that family line will have blacks/browns



Being a white caucasion only proves you are a descendant of caucasions.. germans, russians, poles, dutch, germans.. europeans

ETHNIC-RELIGIOUS-GROUP-DISEASES-BS

ETHNIC-RELIGIOUS-GROUP-DISEASES

Jewish-Hispanic-Cancer-Gene

One of my post that got blocked from a group billed as DNA interest was my response to their post Jewish Hispanic Cancer Gene.

When ever you challenge an assertion or statement that bursts their bubble, they make sure the group members does not see the opposing statement so they can decide which side is logical to them.

Propaganda is pushing one side and silencing any counter arguments. You would not want to confuse the Lemmings with all the facts.

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These groups claim they do not get involved in race or religion, but of course that is the essence of attempting to use DNA to connect some one to people in a particular part of the world.

Race: The physical qualities unique to a particular population. Race does exist and it is the physical differences between people. Trying to connect some one to people of a particular region through DNA.. The DNA traits that are identified by that unique trait/race.

They do not want to include religion: Jewish Hispanic Gene.

Hispanic = descendants from Spain. Tying 'Jews' with Spanish people is nothing less than pushing the Sephardi Jew story.

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When I wrote to the group there was no such thing as a Jewish Hispanic Cancer Gene, the owners/monitors deleted the post so the readers did not get to read my counter argument

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There is not just one kind of cancer, there are many cancers and different versions of them. A cancer begins with a new thing.. a mutation.

If the mutation is not harmful, it is noted but it has no real importance.

The mutation called "the cohen marker" is such a non harmful mutation.

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Let's examine a hypothetical story about the "Ichabod Cancer"

I Samuel 4

1. Now Israel went out against the Philistines to battle...

17 The Philistines took the ark and killed the two sons of a Benjamite

19 His daughter in law was pregnant and when she heard of losing the ark and her husband was dead, she delivered.

20 The women said , Fear not; for thou hast born a son.

21 And she named the child Ichabod.

The story.. Ichabod got very sick and a mutation took place that caused a deadly strain of cancer that could be passed on through sex and centuries later by blood transfusions.

Is this the Israelite Cancer.. NO

Is this a Benjamite cancer, NO does all Benjamites have this Cancer? NO

No cancer, no mutation can be identified by any race or religion. If it is to be identified it would carry the name of the person who's body the mutation took place in.. The Ichabod Cancer

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There is NO such thing as a Jewish Hispanic Cancer

Cancers are a mutation that evolved by random. That mutation/disease is then passed to any religion/race in which the carriers produce children with.

Mutations/unique diseases only are connected to a particular group because the group tends to produce children with in their own ethnic/racial group.

Only if the cancer could not be passed to another race could it be a Jewish, Hispanic cancer.

If the carriers of that cancer began to produce children with Chinese or Eskimos it would be the Jewish, Hispanic, Chinese, Eskimo Cancer.

Only if a disease could ONLY be passed to a specific religion or nationality could it be branded with a religious/national title.

The person the mutation took place in would be the title of the Cancer ... not the group it was spread in, because people who are not 'Jews' / Hispanic also get the Ichabod Cancer.

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Because the science to identify the types of cancer has only been around for a while, there is no way of knowing what population of the earth first got the mutation passed on by Ichabod.

If one were to speculate with absolutely no facts, I guess they could call it the Moor's Cancer. Didn't the Moors invade and rule Spain for a long time?

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I have multiple relatives that work in hospitals and there happen to be a little Palestinian girl who died of a "Jewish disease".

When ever a group with the Ichabod disease and they tend to have sex with in their own group, their members will have a higher % of that disease.

As far as 'Jews' or Hispanics only having sex with their own religious/ethnic group, give me a break.

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a) Can a 'Jew'/Hispanic with this cancer

b) Pass it to Native Americans, Russians, Eskimos, Muslims, Buddhist, Atheist, Hindus, Chinese

c) By copulation, sodomy, sharing needles, blood transfusions?

If the answer is yes, this is NOT a Jewish/Hispanic cancer... Ichabod !

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The ethnic group name, religious group name, nationality group name disease is pure BS.

If it were detected when the mutation took place in Ichabod and Ichabod was locked up / isolated, the Ichabod Cancer would not exist.

Disease nor mutations are unique to any race, ethnic group or religion (except in the case that their own group is the only group that could contract it).

 

 

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Children-given-the-names-of-other-families

Jeff had been working on his family tree for three years and he had traced his father's relatives 5 generations.

Jeff Jackson was the son of George Jackson

George Jackson was the son of Mike Jackson

Mike Jackson was the son of Kevin Jackson

Kevin Jackson was the son of Chester Jackson

Chester was the descendant of Andrew Jackson

Wow, how cool Jeff found out he was the great grandson of Andrew Jackson.

It took him three years and a whole bunch of research but it was well worth it.

The only problem is Mike Jackson was not the son of Kevin Jackson, he was just taken in by the family, never even adopted but they gave him their family name.

Mike Jackson's father was unknown and real mother's name was Sally Wentworth, Whileworth, Worthers.. something like that, not sure.

That means that Jeff is the descendant of some unknown grandfather

Mike was the son of an unknown father and

Jeff was no relation to Kevin, Chester or Andrew Jackson.

If any time in history any of your relatives were taken or adopted with out publishing it, then future generations do not have a clue, they would only be following a trail of smoke.

Other than adopting parents usually keeping a lid on it, a child that was abandoned by his parents could be ashamed and never mention it to their own children.

What is the chance that your family is a descendant of an ancestor who got their name from a switched family?

What is the chance that some of your ancestors were not adopted or just taken by another family?

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The Real Oliver Twist:

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This story was not made up by shear imagination. In Germany, France, England.. Europe orphans were turned into slave labor.

Poor food, 16 hours a day working, no heat in the sleeping areas.The Real Oliver Twist, by Melbourne University's John Waller, is an impressive tribute to Blincoe, whose story of appalling suffering, ill-treatment and neglect inspired Charles Dickens to write Oliver Twist.

Orphans are not a thing of modern times, millions of orphans have existed over the centuries, losing their identity.

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In Zambia, 15% of 1.1 million children are orphans. 75000 of these children live on the street;

And as if the floating markets, bustling streets and emerald paddy fields aren't .... Vietnam has more than 5 million orphans

According to UNICEF, there are well over 100 million orphans. ... children who emancipate from orphanages, the foster care system, or who grow up as street ...

There are now seven million abandoned children living on the streets of Brazilian ....

Mission Backpack heads to Russia, Guatemala and India Sep 23, 2008 ... More than 145 million children are orphaned worldwide
These are orphans that exist in our own generation. Do you think because they are orphans they won't grow up and produce children.. and what will their children's children use for a name.. In an interview of children in South America most did not know (or denied) knowing their family names and they did not even know their own birth date.

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PBS Oct 3, 2008 African slave girl was imprisoned for having a child out of wed lock.
It did not matter that her white master was the father.

How many blacks are the descendants of white slave owners or their sons who were free to do as they pleased?

Wouldn't that mean that thousands of "white" Europeans share the same great grandfathers with these Negroes?
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Warner Brothers, not Warner Brothers... but changed their names.
Born on August 2, 1892, in London, Ontario, Canada, Warner was the ninth of twelve children born to Benjamin and Pearl Leah Eichelbaum, and the youngest son of the seven children to survive into adulthood. Warner's parents were Jewish immigrants from Poland.

In 1907, the family name was changed to "Warner."

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The Orphan Train was a social experiment that transported children from crowded coastal cities of the United States to the country's Midwest for adoption. The orphan trains ran between 1854 and 1929, relocating an estimated 200,000 orphaned, abandoned, or homeless children. At the time the orphan train movement began, it was estimated that 3,000 vagrant children were living on the streets of New York City.

Controversy of the Orphan Train Movement
The program was controversial; some abolitionists viewed it as a form of slavery, while some pro-slavery advocates saw it part of the abolitionist movement, since the labor provided by the children made slaves unnecessary.
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In this period of history there were no laws about changing your family names. When these children were shipped across the country, there was no reason for hem to keep the name of their parents (if they even knew them).

Those who took them in would most likely want to plant their own family name on them .. as adoptive parents do.

It would be a good guess as some of the girls lived in those homes, the fathers or sons would have gotten them pregnant. In such case those children would not have received the names of their fathers.

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Other than the millions of children who had their names changed because they had no parents, children have often had their names changed to that of their step fathers.

How many people try to follow their family by names that came from an adoptive family?

Business Week Debate Room Overseas Babies Displace U.S. Orphans Feb 15, 2008
... There are 150 million children without parental care.
In some countries roam the streets and are homeless and helpless

Count the numbers of orphans or children that have had their names changed through the centuries, then project the number of descendants they would have to day, it is mind boggling.

You have no way of ever knowing if any of your ancestors were orphans or if they decided to change their names for some reason.

Before government record keeping, in past centuries tracking any one by names is a walk through quick sand.

NO, people who have their names changed to not cease from having children. There are millions of people right around you (if you are not one of them) who is a descendant of some one who had their name changed.. and IF that name change was not documented, you will never have a clue who your ancestors were.

You won't be able to do it with DNA unless you start digging up graves and looking for a match.

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Name-Changes-Millions

A myth that names were changed at Ellis Island
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A myth that names were not changed at Ellis Island

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Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter

Another myth is that many immigrants had their names changed at Ellis Island because they could not converse with English-speaking immigration officials. However, a close examination of government records soon dispels this American legend. Each immigrant carried documentation written in their native language by authorities in "the old country." These documents always listed the complete name of each immigrant, along with details of their nationality and place of origin.

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Name Changes at Ellis Island: Fact or Fiction?
Editor's Note: This article was originally published in Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter, 13 May 2001.

For admittance into the United States, (a) an immigrant had to have proof of identity. This form was filled out in the homeland by a local clerk who used the native language.

Name spellings on these documents would logically conform to local spellings. Next, when an immigrant purchased a ticket for passage, exit visas and other paperwork had to be examined by ticket agents before a ticket could be issued. The surname would have been accurately recorded at that time as well.

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IF ANY IMMIGRANT HAD A REASON TO FORGE DOCUMENTS

(a) This was in the age before governments had documented people.

1 Any immigrant could have presented any document they had forged.

2 Any immigrant could have had some one else go into the office, get the documentation and use it for their own families.

They did not go into an office, get the documents and jump on the ship. These trips were planned. The trip to the office to get papers would have taken place before the departure date.

Any one who wanted to immigrate would have had time to bring the papers home and get their own version fabricated.

When they walked up the boarding plank, the ship's official had a manifest with nothing but names.

The immigrant could have got on with the assigned papers and got off with their own version.

3) It would be a snap to bribe clerks to write any thing the persons wanted them to write.

4) This was the age before government documentation of the populations. The clerks knew nothing about the potential immigrants except what they were told.

Today with all the checks put in place, people can and do forge documents to get into other countries. It would have been child's play forging documents to get through Ellis Island.

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The ship's captain or designated representative would examine each passenger's paperwork. Immigrants would not be accepted into Ellis Island without proper documentation.

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The ship's crew would inspect the paper work as they got on.

The ship's crew did nothing, knew nothing about the validity or accuracy of that paperwork.

The ship's crew did nothing to verify any thing that was written on those documents.

The ship's crew did nothing but to check that they did have the boarding documents.

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The workers at Ellis Island did NOTHING to check the validity of any information written on the documents.

They did not have contact with the travel / government agencies in foreign countries and cross check that information.

The only thing Ellis Island workers did was to ask for the paper work that "appeared" to have been written by the offices in the foreign countries.

The only thing the travel/government offices in those foreign countries had to go by is what ever the applicants brought to their counter.

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The ship's owners went to great lengths to ensure the accuracy of the paperwork, including names, places of birth, and travel plans.

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Tell me how many passengers in which the ship's owners went to the areas where the potential immigrant said they came from and made an investigation with the officials? .. ZERO.

The only thing the ship lines did was to check to see if the borders had the papers issued to them by the office that issued the papers.

In the days before computers, any one could be any one they wanted to be, and they did not finger print applicants and their children.

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The myth of name changes also revolves around the concept that the immigrant was unable to communicate properly with the English-speaking officials at Ellis Island. However, this assumption ignores the fact that officials at Ellis Island employed hundreds of translators who could speak, read, and write the immigrants' native tongues.

Ellis Island officials would then bring in the interpreters to handle the interrogations. The processing time was one to three days.

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Three days.. 72 hours...

30 hours of sleeping

4 hours of eating / going to the bath room

2 hours replying to the prepared questions and physical exams.. being ran through like cattle

36 hours standing in line

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During this time, each immigrant was questioned about his or her identity, and all of the necessary documentation was examined in detail.

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The clerks could only examine what was written on the documents, they had no possible way of verifying any information with the officials of the country the immigrant came from.

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Of course, there were a few exceptions to the formality of documentation at Ellis Island, and names may have been changed at these times.

Occasionally, war refugees were admitted into the United States without much documentation, especially in 1945 and 1946.

A few other immigrants succeeded in falsifying their documents in order to gain admittance when they could not have been admitted under their true identities.

Or, a child may have been admitted under the surname of a stepfather.

* Some immigrants changed their names in order to obtain employment.

* Others found it easier to assimilate into American culture if they had American-sounding names, so they accepted the names their neighbors or schoolteachers used.

* Millions of immigrants had their names changed voluntarily by clerks or schoolteachers who couldn't pronounce or spell the foreign-sounding names.

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Of course people like me who write about these things only write from hearsay information we have seen, heard or read.

As for actual people who did come through Ellis Island and who have been interviewed on TV programs and in magazines, it is they who say their family DID have their names changed.

What shall we believe?

a) People who never came through Ellis Island saying immigrants never had their names changed.

b) The people who said they came through Ellis Island and did have their names changed are liars.. or

c) People "Millions" who did come through Ellis Island DID have their names changed?

Note: For more information about Ellis Island name changes, visit the Immigration and Naturalization Service Web site.

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Of course there is no way of knowing how many times European families changed their names of the centuries before there was any Ellis Island.

People in all nations changed their names when they had a reason and before government kept data on the population, changing names was as easy as changing socks.

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From 1892 to 1954, over 12 million immigrants entered the United States from Ellis Island,

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From 1892... Hmmm in 1492 Columbus sailed the ocean blue, that kind of leaves 400 years of people coming to America who were NEVER processed by any immigration inspections.

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Not only did millions change their names at Ellis Island, millions of others changed their names after they crossed the ocean and got into other countries.

We never find out about the average bear because no one bothers to publish their name changes, but famous people are published

Adams Joey ............................. Joseph Abramowitz
Albert Eddie ............................Eddie Heimberger
Allen Woody ............................. Allen Konigsberg
Bacall Lauren .......................... Joan Perske
Barrett Rona ............................Rona Burnstein
Benny Jack ............................. Benny Kubelsky
Berle Milton ........................... Milton Berlinger
Bishop Joey ............................ Joey Gottlieb
Blondell Joan ........................... Rosebud Blustein
Borgnine Ernest .........................Effron Borgnine
Bronson Charles ........................ Charles Buchinsky
Brooks Mel ............................. Melvin Kaminsky
Brothers Joyce ..........................Joyce Bauer
Burns George ........................... Nathan Birnbaum
Cannon Dyan ............................ Samile Friesen
Chrisse Cyd .............................Tula Finklea
Crawford Joan .......................... Lucille Le Sueur
Curtis Tony ............................ Bernie Schwartz
Dangerfield Rodney ......................Jacob Cohen
Douglas Kirk ........................... Isadore Demsky
Dylan Bob ...............................Robert Zimmerman
Fairbanks, Jr Douglas .................. Douglas Ullman
G Edward . Robinson ..................... Emanuel Goldenberg
Garfield John .......................... Jules Garfinkle
Garland Judy ........................... Frances Gumm
Goddard Paulette ....................... Paulette Levy
Gorme Eydie ............................. Edith Gormezano
Gould Elliott ...........................Elliott Goldstein
Grant Cary ............................. Larry Leach
Green Lorne .............................Chaim Leibowiz
Grey Joel .............................. Joel Katz
Hackett Buddy .......................... Leonard Hacker
Holliday Judy .......................... Judith Tuvin
Howard Leslie .......................... Leslie Stainer
Kaye Danny .............................. David Kominsky
King Alan .............................. Irwin Kniberg
King Larry ...............................Larry Zeiger
Lamour Dorothy ......................... Dorothy Kaumeyer
Landers Ann ..............................Esther Friedman
Landon Miehael ......................... Mike Orowitz
Lawrence Steve ......................... Sidney Leibowitz
Lewis Jerry ............................ Joseph Levitch
Linden Hal .............................. Hal Lip****z
Louise Tina ............................. Tina Blacker
Maiden Karl .............................Maiden Sekulovitch
Matthau Walter ......................... Walter Matasschanskayasky
Merman Ethel ........................... Ethel Zimmerman
Murray Jan ............................. Murray Janofsky
Palmer Lilly ........................... Maria Peiser
Parker Eleanor .......................... Ellen Friedlob
Peters Roberta ...........................Roberta Peterman
Pierce Jan .............................. Pincus Perelmuth
Randall Tony ........................... Sidney Rosenberg
Rlvers Joan .............................Joan Molinsky
Shore Dinah ............................ Fanny Rose
St Jill . John .......................... Jill Oppenheim
Wilder Gene ............................. Jerome Silberman
Winters Shelly ......................... Shirley Schrift
Zsa Gabor Zsa ...........................Sara Gabor

Not even the tip of the tip of the iceberg. Through the centuries millions of NON famouse people have changed their family names.

In the past there was no need to go to any court to change your name, all you had to do was change it to any thing you wanted. There were no Social Security numbers, no government birth certificates, no driver's license.. NO government records of the population.

Changing names would be done because people had been in some kind of trouble, they wanted to blend in with the locals, to gain employment or other personal gain.

Watching a PBS program about immigrants in Ohio, they told how they changed their family names to get employment in the 1930s-40s ... and they kept that name until today.

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For centuries before Ellis Island, during the time it did exist ... people have been coming to America from ports from across the sea and by land through Mexico and Canada.

The amount of name changes is a never ending circle. The population of America is from the families of all immigrants. The families who can track part of their ancestors to Ellis Island ... if they have been here a few generations, their ancestors come from many lands and unknown families they can never possibly track.

The only exception is the native Americans which never come off the reservations.

As for any one who thinks they can track their ancestors through family names, they might consider the number of family names documented in a European country say in 1000 AD and compare that with the number today.

Not only do people change their names to a popular one, some times they make up a name that fit's their fancy and take that one.

Santa Claus, Homer Simpson ?

WASHINGTON, September 26 (RIA Novosti) - A man who changed his name to Santa Claus three years ago has successfully registered as a presidential candidate.

Before the government began to document personal data on the public any one could change their names with no legal implications and millions did.

* By the names they gave to offices when they applied for immigration.

* At Ellis Island

* After they got through the port

* Those who were already here or any that existed in the time before the government collected personal data.

There was no such thing as a "legal name", what ever they decided to call themselves was their "legal name"

I think I will name myself Mr Cool

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There were no John Smiths coming from Africa in the bottom of the slavery ships.

When they got here they may have been given a European first name and Jones after the name of the slave owner that bought them.

If their children were sold to Miller, they would be Millers.

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Other than Mexicans millions have came to the US through Mexico.. also through Canada.

If your family has been in the US for generations, then bet you are a composite of ancestors from multiple nations.

Your "family name" might lead you to a trivial fraction of your relatives with the same name, but that is not saying that has always been the name that family went by.

 

 

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The first Federal income tax

The first Federal income tax was imposed (under Article I, section 8, clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution) during the Civil War, then again in the 1890s, and again after the Sixteenth Amendment was ratified in 1913.

On August 1st, 1861 the U.S. Congress took up debate on a law that would create the first federal income tax. It set the rate at 3% for all incomes

The first federal income tax in American history actually preceded the Internal ... These taxes were not even collected until 1862

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You can not use any income tax records to track any ancestors before 1860 because there was no government income tax being imposed before that time.

 

 

The first Social Security numbers

The Social Security program that would eventually be adopted in late 1935 relied for its core principles on the concept of "social insurance." Social insurance was a respectable and serious intellectual tradition that began in Europe

 

Early Work- Social Security Numbers
The monumental first task was the need to register employers and workers by January 1, 1937, when workers would begin acquiring credits toward old-age insurance benefits. Since the new Social Security Board did not have the resources available to accomplish this, they contracted with the Post Office Department to distribute the applications. The first application forms were distributed in late November 1936. The numbers were assigned in the local post offices. There is no record of who received the first Social Security number (SSN).

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These cards were supposed to be used to help benefit needy people, but they have come to nothing more than the government's mark to track the human herd... the purpose is actually to tax working people of their earnings.

While a portion of people who worked all of their lives do get some of their money back, many die before they can retire. 

 

Every one did not get a SS card.. most did not. Later it became almost impossible to get a job with out a SS number which can not be changed.

 

You can not use Social Security card numbers to track the identity of any relative before 1936 because they did not exist.

 

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The first driver's licenses

The first driver's licenses

The first driver's licenses were issued in Paris in 1893.

1908 - 1st Driver's Licenses' / U.S.A. - "In 1908, Rhode Island issued the first driver's licenses' in the U.S.A."

The first driver's license did not exist until after the 1900s un the US and you did not need any documents to sign up. You just went to a local store and bought it like a fishing license with no kind of test.

A driver's license will give you  no information about any relative born before the early 1900s.

 

 

 

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